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Tiesto and Co... - Alexis2 - 2012-02-27 15:34:55
I don't know if this is the right place for this, but what do you think about the music of the "upper" well known DJ's and Producer? according to the DjList)
There was a time when I liked some of Tiestos and Kaskades stuff, but listening now to it, it is more like commercials of their own ego's and just producing a lot of the same stuff in short time... And this is not just with the more Trance-like stuff, I already realized this industrialization of music long time ago with Deadmau5. And for me it seems like it is mostly happening with Progressive House and Trance and now also with Dubstep, that everybody listens to it and it gets more and more shitty. And I'm asking myself why is that? Why does now and then some artists get very popular and then a lot of imposters copy that and put a ton of their remade waste on the market and still get fame by doing so? I just can't imagine why...
RE: Tiesto and Co... - Jack Fruit - 2012-02-27 16:43:12
MONEY & FAME
you can not only see this in commercial music. you can see this in "underground" music, too. if something gets hyped/liked producers jump on the train, pump out as much same-sounding stuff as they can and try to get famous or, in commercial music, rich.
just look how much bad electro house was produced (and still is) after the justice etc. hype.
YOu can see the same now with hot creations after their huge success they release A LOT of similiar sounding stuff.
but tbh i don't think tiesto/ other random prog hous/brostep producers have ever produced good music some day...
RE: Tiesto and Co... - Alexis2 - 2012-02-27 17:42:36
then why do ppl still like it or more and more listen to it? is it then just the hype or (maybe) the milieu? thinking of the last, i just heard and probably everyone heard that rumor, do drugs and alcohol really matter in any music-genre? i culd think some producers may be on something, but the listeners? why should they need it? and i know that this is a critical topic and i just want to touch it here a bit and then move on with the general music...
RE: Tiesto and Co... - John Thorp - 2012-02-27 23:34:58
I don't think you can level the accusation that all Tiesto listeners are on drugs. In fact, based on figures alone, the majority of people listen to Tiesto and the majority of people don't do drugs (although a larger minority than many imagine of course, do). It's a bit of a tiresome topic, but if you go and find dance music, you'll likely find drugs. Amongst clubbers and DJs.
It just depends on your attitude, really. The way Tiesto presents himself live, like some sort of saviour, is almost absurd beyond parody. Then again, people like Skream or Boys Noize are pretty massive nowadays and alot of us have seen that happen, but aside from the odd dodgy choice of remix or broader step into the 'mainstream', they're still widely respected overall, with the mainstream and the underground wanting to capitalise on their success.
I'll spend afternoons putting of work by reading anything about music, and from what I can figure from promotional interviews, trance 'Gods' like Gareth Emery and Above and Beyond are smart and down to earth people who remain passionate about their genre and it's presentation, even if I personally think of trace as distilled nonsense. I used to work with an amateur trance producer who spoke about his work in the same way that I'd praise something largely considered more 'credible'.
RE: Tiesto and Co... - Slick - 2012-02-28 00:59:35
(2012-02-27 17:42:36)Alexis2 Wrote: then why do ppl still like it or more and more listen to it? is it then just the hype or (maybe) the milieu? thinking of the last, i just heard and probably everyone heard that rumor, do drugs and alcohol really matter in any music-genre? i culd think some producers may be on something, but the listeners? why should they need it? and i know that this is a critical topic and i just want to touch it here a bit and then move on with the general music...
It's music that's easy to 'like'. A lot of 'our' music (music that is being discussed on this forum) requires a kind of dedication; you will have to 'grow' into the music or understand why it's such a good track, besides that it helps if you've been listening to that kind of music for a while.
I can't really think of a good example but I guess Mr. Oizo - Flat Beat is right. Mainstream people (people only listening to the radio, you know, an average person) didn't like it at first; it was a weird track with the videoclip being even more weird. After a while people started liking it but only after being played 3 or 4 times. It had to 'grow' on them.
The music that's being produced by the producers you are talking about don't have to 'grow' on the mainstream public; the first/second time they listen to it on a festival they will instantly like it and dance to it because it isn't weird (and probably not really a unique sound) and it has a nice beat to it. After a few months the track gets lost because it's been overruled by the same kind of music and it isn't that unique to be a classic.
There's drugs and alcohol in every dance genre, doesn't really have anything to do with it.
Oh, I probably listen to some of the music and actually like a large amount of it. It's just that they're perfect for festivals / parties with friends. :) But I'll never say that "song x by sell-out artist Z is the best song ever made", that is all.
RE: Tiesto and Co... - CanwllCorfe - 2012-02-28 03:35:02
I'm not crazy about many of them. Some of Kaskade's songs are okay, and I like a few of Ferry Corsten's new songs (I also liked his Once Upon a Night compilation). I haven't liked Armin van Buuren since around 2005, thereabouts. I've never been all that crazy about Tiesto, but I did like his In Search of Sunrise compilations.