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Patrick122 · 2012-04-24, 15:10:01

Hip-hop is just about guns and jewellery.

Roland Daggett · 2012-04-25, 13:30:50

You think it would be about hipping and hopping, but you're wrong

Patrick122 · 2012-04-25, 14:34:00

To play devil's advocate here, the author of that original article seems to be getting into a spin about nothing. These Americans don't mean it, they're just following a trend and in a year or so they'll be some new shit to jump all over. Moreoever, they are children and this music annoys their parents and old people (like the author of mnml ssgs).

He says; "If people think that electronic music equals Steve Aoki, it is hard to mount a convincing argument for why it is something that should be respected, funded, supported and granted social space for."

He's saying "let's keep dance music underground", whist at the same time asking for us to consider some kind of quasi-high-council-for-the-funding, progression and development-of dance music.

Hey, author of Minimal Sausages, switch off the Frak, shut your laptop and go outside or something. It's a lovely day.

rickman · 2012-04-25, 17:26:56

It's grim outside what are you on about.

DiscoCreep · 2012-04-25, 21:11:34

it was the silly side of dance music that got me into it as a young lad tbh

sushilnash · 2012-04-25, 22:25:58

I think this is what Discocreep just said but is it not the case (for some of us at least) that 'mainstream' dance music is what got us into 'underground' dance music in the first place?

DiscoCreep · 2012-04-25, 22:58:52

(2012-04-25 22:25:58)sushilnash Wrote: I think this is what Discocreep just said but is it not the case (for some of us at least) that 'mainstream' dance music is what got us into 'underground' dance music in the first place?

Kinda! For a period in my teens i was into prog, hardcore and trance. But that was because everyone was at the time. Before that when I was 11/12, my 2 favorite albums in the world were "The Fat of the Land" and "You've come a long way Baby" and during my primary years I was obbsessed with Michael Jackson. But I never thought of these as dance music. At that stage I just though music was music. Then came along hardcore and trance and I thought "heres something different" and started goin' out to clubs and illegal raves. It was great, then after time I think I reverted back to the music I originally loved and relized it was dance music, only better than what I was listening to.
I mean, a few years ago wasnt everyone complaining about dance music not gettin' recognition and the charts being dominated by pop music? Now dance music is pop!(ular) and everyones complaining about the quality of it. Why? Its pop music! Let them have it! And its only goin to turn more young people onto more "credible" stuff as they get older or whatever.
People used to say not enough exposure was killing dance music, and now they say too much exposure is killing it. What will make them happy? Can they not accept that the latest underground star might not make number 1 in the charts? Even if by some miracle they did you know that the same people cheering them on at the start will just tear them down. TBH I dont think dance music will ever die because of the young people who just want to jump around and have a good time to some music that was designed for that purpose alone.

Patrick122 · 2012-04-25, 23:35:45

We're talking like dance music never went mainstream already. It did. Twenty years ago. It wasn't bad either!

Goon4 · 2012-04-26, 13:20:39

My view on this is that there is absolutely no need to be paranoid. There will always be a mainstream and an underground when it comes to "dance music". There always has been. All that's happened is that people like Guetta have realised that they can make a load of $$ out of it by producing a load of sh!te. People will lap it up and then get bored of it. The underground scene is constantly evolving. I do not think that because Guetta etc are really popular that this has any effect at all on the underground scene. The genre of music I do see this affecting is rock / guitar bands who are losing young followers to DJs / electronic producers like Guetta / Skrillex. My biggest fear is not the danger of Guetta etc to the underground scene. My biggest fear is my favourite DJs / producers chasing the money and moving out of the underground scene.

PaoloTramezzani · 2012-04-26, 17:21:27

(2012-04-25 22:58:52)DiscoCreep Wrote: TBH I dont think dance music will ever die because of the young people who just want to jump around and have a good time to some music that was designed for that purpose alone.

That's what ska punk is for!

fornogoodreason · 2012-04-26, 20:15:02

(2012-04-23 12:44:59)rickman Wrote:
(2012-04-23 11:18:19)Roland Daggett Wrote:
(2012-04-22 20:38:12)fornogoodreason Wrote:
(2012-04-22 10:10:19)Roland Daggett Wrote: People forget that EDM and dance music in general is about having a good time.

and really, who cares.

pretty sweeping statement

maybe thats true for you but that certainly ins't the way for everyone

What do you think it is then?

(not challenging you, just really want to know)
I'm with fngr, saying electronic music is just about 'having a good time' kind of makes it sound like the rest of the time you wouldn't listen to it, that it's only purpose is to make you act silly in a club.

Edit: Aidan put it 10x better.

it's not *about* anything

the listener or participant creates the value imo

i would still listen to the music i do without clubs, some songs do sound better in clubs, but at the same time some music i prefer to listen to in headphones or alone